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Post by iboey on May 29, 2007 11:32:35 GMT 8
Hi guys i will be investing in a tamron 90mm macro lens. I have a 580ex flash with gary fong diffuser.
1)Do i need a Raynox DCR 250 to further magnify?
2)What are the aperture and shutter speed for such dedicated shots?
3)Other than DCR 250, what are the brands of closeup filter is better than HOYA?
4)The bigger the diopter the more magnification? I cant understand wat the www saids.
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Post by USM on May 29, 2007 13:44:12 GMT 8
iboey, before I comment on the 4 questions.
Why do want you purchase the Tamron 90mm lens?
Are you on tight budget?
Firstly, many people found that the protruding barrel of the lens is very annoying. Secondly, you may accidentally let the protruded barrel touches the subject(s), it has happened before for some of the bros here. The reason being that you are too engrossed in focusing (AF or MF) the subject, and forget about the protruding barrel until it touches the subject(s).
Lastly, the price of the Canon EF 100mm f2.8 Macro lens has plunged a lot recently, so it would be wiser to get it than the Tamron counterpart as compared to the last time due to significant price gap.
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Post by USM on May 29, 2007 14:09:07 GMT 8
Hi guys i will be investing in a tamron 90mm macro lens. I have a 580ex flash with gary fong diffuser. 1)Do i need a Raynox DCR 250 to further magnify? 2)What are the aperture and shutter speed for such dedicated shots? 3)Other than DCR 250, what are the brands of closeup filter is better than HOYA? 4)The bigger the diopter the more magnification? I cant understand wat the www saids. 1) Yes, the macro lens by itself will not give you that kind of magnification. 2) For macro, you need maximum depth of field if possible, so starts from f11 to f22. As for shutter speed, you need at least 1/125. 3) You can try Canon 250D or 500D close-up filter, but the diopter is only +4 and +2 respectively. Go for the Hoya Achromatic +5 filter. All of them have double elements. These are not the cheapo Hoya close-up filters which are single element. The result is fanantisitc. You can also stack up the filters to give you more magnification but will suffer some quality loss / light loss. Nevertheless, the final image is still very good. 4) Yes, bigger diopter such as the +5 will give you more magnification.
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Post by iboey on May 29, 2007 17:35:33 GMT 8
Hi USM,
I decided on Tamron because I saw very good reviews on it. Partly because due to my budget. Im not sure if i have time for macro in the long run. This macro lens will serve as a portrait lens as well to complement my 50mm 1.4.
is 90mm with DCR 250 sufficient to take insects like spiders and butterflies? or a 180mm ? My concern of the 180mm is the tripod to increase stability.
is DCR 250 or closeup filters more desirable ?
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Post by 28degree on May 29, 2007 23:49:19 GMT 8
Hi iboey, Let me share with you my setup when shooting macros. I have use the Raynox DCR 250 and the close up filters before. I used both of this together with the 50mm f1.8 lens, and later on i bought a 580EX to support my setup. Raynox DCR 250 i used only once or twice, i originally bought it for my Canon S2, but later on used it on my 400D. This is a bit tough to focus at first, got to use MF and you got to really go real close to the subject. So for those insects that do not allow you to bend down and get real close, this setup is basically useless. I have not really played with this yet, but i have seen beautiful photos taken with this. I intend to try with this the next time i go for macro shooting. Close-up filters I purchase a set of 4 filters from ebay for about US30 bucks i think. It comes in +1, +2, +4 and +10. Most of the time i used +10 or a combination of +10 and +4 if i want to get real close up. This is really much easier to focus and aim at the subject as compared to the Raynox one. I'm still trying to improve especially with the lightnings. I'm like you last time, i do not want to invest on a macro lens, therefore i use cheap alternative to take macros. These setups taking spiders are not of much problem. But butterflies, dragonflies is quite out, unless they keep really still. Reason because you got to go really close in order to be able to focus. Hope this helps you. Feel free to ask anything and i be glad to help you if i can..... I'm still a very newbie
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iboey
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Post by iboey on May 29, 2007 23:59:47 GMT 8
thanx 28 degrees for your advise. ;D Do you have any pics taken with the filters and dcr250? My intention was to get a dedicated macro lens but cant decide on close up filters or the dcr250
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Post by 28degree on May 30, 2007 0:12:27 GMT 8
Hi iboey, i show you some of the photos i took for both setups....sorry for the lously photos...i'm still learning...therefore the lightning and some focus are still way from good Photos from Raynox DCR 250: For photos i took using close up filters, just click on the following link: 28degree.com/photography/macro.html
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Post by iboey on May 30, 2007 11:55:29 GMT 8
all the pics including the link taken using 501.8?
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Post by USM on May 30, 2007 13:24:22 GMT 8
Hi USM, I decided on Tamron because I saw very good reviews on it. Partly because due to my budget. Im not sure if i have time for macro in the long run. This macro lens will serve as a portrait lens as well to complement my 50mm 1.4. is 90mm with DCR 250 sufficient to take insects like spiders and butterflies? or a 180mm ? My concern of the 180mm is the tripod to increase stability. is DCR 250 or closeup filters more desirable ? I see. In that case, get the Tamron 90mm as long as you are aware of the problem of the protruding barrel, so you have to be extra careful when you are doing close up. As for the close-up filter, go for the Hoya Achromatic +5 filter instead of the DCR 250 given Neo's feedback on it. Moreover, a few bros have achieved good results using the Hoya Achromatic +5 filter.
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Post by 28degree on May 31, 2007 0:57:12 GMT 8
all the pics including the link taken using 501.8? yup, all shots using the 50 f1.8
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Post by iboey on May 31, 2007 22:09:56 GMT 8
so the hoya achromatic +5 is sufficient for small spiders etc?
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Post by iboey on May 31, 2007 22:13:38 GMT 8
took the lens for a test today! quite impressed but hunt abit slow Taken without flash handheld
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Post by USM on Jun 1, 2007 10:18:01 GMT 8
so the hoya achromatic +5 is sufficient for small spiders etc? Taken using Canon 250D + Hoya achromatic +5.
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Post by iboey on Jun 1, 2007 11:46:35 GMT 8
USM nice stuffs! so the 250D plus hoya gives a total of +9 ? Is focusing slow ?
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Post by USM on Jun 1, 2007 11:48:49 GMT 8
USM nice stuffs! so the 250D plus hoya gives a total of +9 ? Is focusing slow ? Yes, +9. Focusing is alright because I am using the EF 85mm f1.8 lens.
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